Pen Wales is closed to English immigrants LOL
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cwmhill |
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See Pip its got nowt to do with me this time this posting .
Pen Wales is closed to English immigrants LOL CWM |
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Laura Penstemon |
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lol and who can blame them Cwm!!
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mammaj |
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I agree that people entering any country should be checked out, we have many immigrants causing a lot of trouble (drug wars, kidnapping women for prostitution,
rape & breaking into any house beating up the owner regardless) it's all very well saying but they've got nothing they're driven to it. Would
you be driven to it? Many elderly italian men have married young eat european women & have lost everything (more fool them but keep an eye on grandad).
Religion causes a lot of problems, there have been episodes of crosses taken down from the walls in hospitals & classrooms because they are offensive! Excuse me but go back to where you came from then I have dual nationality, I vote, pay taxes & speak fluent italian. I haven't got an english community & neither do I want one. I'm not catholic but my kids are & I'm proud of it It would be great to know some brits but I get on fine with italians. It makes me angry that people come here & make their own communities & more or less the italians are forced to leave. This is happening with the chinese at the moment, they are buying up whole areas & any italian left just gives up & leaves. It causes problems for me as a foreigner as I'm lumped in with all the troublemakers. I've had people tell me to go home & it's not nice! I'd say to anyone thinking of moving to do so but remember when in rome....
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cwmhill |
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mammaj wrote It makes me angry that people come here & make their own communities & more or less the italians are forced to leave...
I fully agree with that the same has happen in Wales to , only its the Dutch that buying the farm land up here and the london city boys who don't want the land but the houses and buildings to be yuppies or as Jom would say tally ho henerys if peeps want second homes then they should pay double or even treble the local rates for them and must live in them for at least 8 months of the year CWM |
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BryonyUK |
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Wow, this is a humdinger of a debate, I'm enjoying it all very much and have even learnt quite a lot about what it is really like to live abroad, or away
from your roots. Excellent stuff.
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MacT1 |
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How much of Britain is still British ? The energy companies are owned by the French or the Germans . None of our car companies are owned by Britsh companies
any more . The Japanese and Chinese are buying up as though it was going out of fashion and now the Russians have entered the game . We are fast becoming owned
by foreigners
and run by foreigners who want us to give up all that we fought for .!!
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mammaj |
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That's true Mac, the Italians are fighting to keep Alitalia in the country it's just that they don't seem able to earn any money from it! In reply
to CWM I don't want to seem racist, I just think that if people move to a new country they should become part of the community not create a new one. The
chinese have even opened their own medical clinics (illegally) they will have nothing to do with anyone. I didn't know Wales was being bought up by the
dutch! I knew a lot of houses have become 2nd homes for the rich which is what is happening here with german & swiss. They buy houses for a months summer
use & expect the locals to fall over themselves to please them. A good deal of ripping off goes on.
I think if I lived in the UK I wouldn't leave it unless I'd been visiting a country for many years. Even now I miss all kinds of things. Little things like the local newspaper, food such as crumpets! going to a jumble sale or car boot sale. Big things such as family. The sense of humour is different here & I find the women very superficial, many are interested only in their appearance, clothes, make up jewellry & having various parts of their body pumped up or diminished! My husband is from Sardinia & has mentioned going back there but if I had to move I'd move back to the UK. That's not to say I don't love it here but it's my 2nd home
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PaulineM |
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I'm interested, Mammaj, that you still miss things from home. I can't say that I do very much or very often. Though, having said that, I admit that there are times when I'd kill to be able to go out and get fish & chips or a steak & kidney pudding! OH doesn't have the problem - we regularly get take-away doner kebab. I'm sure that I'd find it pretty hard to readjust to life in the UK now. I left in 1985 and am certain things have changed beyond belief in the intervening years - and I'm just as certain that I've changed too. So I'll probably be better off in a country where I don't expect anything to be as I remember it.
I was also amused by Umkraut's remark: "Remember nobody will come knocking at your door asking you to become an active member of the local
community."
Amused because, in Greece, they most certainly will. Indeed if there's an open door or French window they won't even bother to knock.
I'm well aware that, as someone who spends a lot of time alone and who positively needs time alone, that's going to be one of my main problems living
in Greece: getting it! The Greeks are a gregarious race, and simply can't understand the concept of preferring your own company to someone else's. As
for privacy - they don't even have a word for it!
Lest anyone say "Hey - how do you know? It's not your language!" I defend myself by saying that I have asked people from all walks of life for
25 years and, while they all swore that there is a word, none of them could actually think of it. I rest my case.
And unless you've ever tried finding a quiet corner to read a book and realised that, wherever you went, someone followed you so that you had some
company - you don't understand the full impact of the problem.
The 2nd home thing is interesting in the context of where we plan to live. I don't have the figures but the island's population leaps up when many of
the 'locals' return from Athens, Switzerland, the UK, the USA, wherever, and reopen their houses for the summer. Quite a number of English, Swiss and
German people now have houses there, but the difference is hardly noticeable given the local habit of leaving for the winter. In fact a few of these incomers
have contributed to the permanent population.
I might add that wild horses couldn't drag me to live in Athens or anywhere else for any part of the year - I hate big cities and I like to be at home
with my books, my interests and my garden and, yes, my friends, around me.
A note on umkraut, i.e. weeds: something else I don't think the Greeks have a word for - they regard most of them as free 'greens'. And on medical treatment: sorry, but I've found it to be better and many times faster outside the UK than in it - and that includes the 5 years I spent in Greece before coming to Belgium. What is different is the way of expressing how ill you are or how much pain you're in. I have, I think, learnt to be rather more vocal about it over the years. I still confuse doctors by cracking jokes in the midst of it, though.
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Scotty996 |
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if peeps want second homes then they should pay double or even treble the local rates for them and must live in them for at least 8 months of the yearSurely if someone lives in a house for 8 months of the year it would become their first home, and the one lived in for 4 months would be their second home, meaning that as it is their first home they would not need to pay the double or treble rates.
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Rich |
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Gibralter and Malta are two countries that are English speaking and are warm so why aren't more English people moving there? I was in Gib. last year, finding a house for sale is virtually impossible. would we be happy to have our own freedom restricted to go to their countries? Yes, who would choose to live in Poland or Bulgaria etc. Any country one would wish to live in has such strong restrictions most people would never get in, my son has married a Canadian girl and it has taken 6 months for him to be accepted, he had to provide proof that it is not a marriage of convenience by showing photos of their whole courtship etc, and he had to find a sponsor. |
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Tiggs |
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I'll admit I haven't read every comment here in detail, but it's been an interesting scan through.
My wife, for those who don't know, is Ukrainian. She came here, at my invitation, to get married back in 2004 (we met on the internet late 2003). Since she's been here she has undertaken ESOL lessons at 2 local colleges simultaneously, because she WANTED to get her English working. She spoke alomst no English when we first met (conversations by phone were hilarious... we both had copies of the same dictionary and would communicate by a combination of her bad English, my worse Russian and "page 20, left column, 3rd word"!). The ESOL courses provided were very basic, the advanced level options being about £300 per term, so financially impossible for us. She was amazed at the number of people on the courses who had lived in this country in excess of 5 years (some of them over 20) who could still not speak the language. Her own efforts (she got additional language courses out of the library to boost her college courses) meant that she was moved to one of the Skills for Life courses, which is for British people with low ability. She found it both amusing and depressing to find herself in a class of British people who were struggling to keep up with her fast developing English. To this day, her written English is not great. However within a year she had got herself a decent job in a Building Society, and now works for one of the top 5 UK banks dealing with high level investments. Of course her Ukrainian Management/Economics degree probably does a lot for that as it means the number side is almost second nature. So, in 4 years she has raised herself from zero English to being able to make recommendations to the bank to improve procedures. When we went on holiday to Greece last year, she made the effort to get a language CD out of the local library. All 3 of us went speaking just a few words of Greek, but the ability to say please, thank you, good morning, etc seemed to make a world of difference to the response we received. |
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mammaj |
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Well done Tiggs wife, there are many east europeans here & they very quickly learn the language whereas the italians are not keen on learning other
languages ( most say they feel daft!) they too appreciate any effort made to speak their language.
I suppose it depends on whether you've found suitable substitutes Pauline! Do you have much family in the UK? I think my major attraction is family especially having just returned from there. Probably if I lived there I'd get fed up with the weather & not having to struggle with everyday life clouds things for me. I do live a bit out in the woods with the wolves but same as you I'd never change for city life & italians same as the greeks cannot understand why I can cope with my own company! Apparently in october when my youngest should also be leaving home for university I will become a thoroughly depressed, miserable old bag rattling round in an empty house bored to tears! I know I'll miss the kids but I expect a leap of quality in the garden & I can eat what I want! The UK has a far better system for oap's, here no one gets free anything even kids pay for medical treatment. A contribution has to be paid for all blood tests, x.rays, scans you name it we pay it! We pay ridiculous taxes such as the tax on our gateways that lead onto the road! I think what I mean is if I had to leave my present home I'd rather move to the UK than find another place here. Gardens are almost non existent in towns & people live extremely close together, they have all sorts of house rules such as not using the shower, w.machine etc., after a certain time of night & they argue like hell!
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